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Thursday, December 18, 2014

Living With Dogs On The Homestead

Check out the latest blog on Mother Earth News about living with dogs on the homestead.  They are excellent family members and make huge contributions.

Sunday, December 14, 2014

Accepting Responsibility - by Sakoieta'

It has been said that every time someone does something wrong, someone else sacrifices and suffers. It is almost always the innocent who pay because the guilty will not accept responsibility for the damage they have done, either in their words or by their actions. So the time comes when we need to stand back from those who have acted in this manner and let the irresponsible get their feet back on the ground and accept the responsibility of their actions. As long as someone stands for them or enables them to continue they will not learn to stand on their own two feet. The greatest gift of love, some call it tough love, is also painful but it lets them alone until they find their place to stand to take responsibility for their lives.

Friday, December 12, 2014

Deer Connections

The trail camera captured a photo of a deer we believe is the adopted daughter of Daisy, Juniors mother and a pretty special deer. I have written about both Junior and Daisy previously and both were very special and taught us a great deal about deer. Daisy adopted 'Daughter' when she was a small fawn and had broke her left front leg at the knee. Her biological mom kept driving her off and we witnessed as Daisy went after the biological mom and served as surrogate mother of the fawn and protector. If any other deer came near that fawn Daisy would rise up and give them a whack that sent them running. We watched as Daisy cared for that fawn until its leg was healed and it grew into adulthood. The injury left its left leg slightly larger at the knee area than its right leg and 'daughter' has remained around our home ever since. Daisy has now passed on but her adopted daughter who would have died had it not been for Daisy lives on.

Two days ago I was cutting up a downed tree in back of the house and here comes daughter walking briskly past me. She was only 6-8' away and stopped momentarily where I was working. Her action made me look back and here is a large 8 point buck clearly looking for a little mid afternoon loving. He too has been hanging around for the summer, fall and now into the winter. Once I sized up the situation I told him if 'Daughter' wasn't willing to leave her alone. He looked me right in the eyes and turned abruptly not 8' from where I was standing and headed up the hill and Daughter moved off in the other direction.

I don't know if deer understand or not or if that was coincidence but I have been talking to the deer so many years and the responses have been so consistent that I think there is some connection there. Just like our dogs understand nearly every word we speak to them I believe deer are more than capable of a similar understanding. I thought it was interesting that Daughter led him right to where I was working and stopped adjacent to me. He may well catch up with Daughter elsewhere but for that day he just walked away and left her alone in peace.

It is these small pleasures in life that keep life interesting.  Often Daughter will be laying down and I will go by where she is at and she will not move. I believe between us there is a connection that is unique and wonderful. I remember how Junior would make small mewing sounds when I would rub his nose or feed him an apple. Life can be exciting if we just look in the right places.

Wednesday, December 10, 2014

Confessions Of A Deer Hunter

I have hunted deer for a good part of my life but I have never shot a deer. I have been on several private hunts, hunted at a hunting camp reserved for only the most serious deer hunters in Georgia, hunted deer all over, but I have never shot a deer. Some would say this is just bad luck but I have had more opportunities than most people would have in a lifetime of deer hunting. I chose not to shoot deer.

Why would I go deer hunting a person might ask if I had no intention of shooting a deer. The answer is simple I enjoy the camaraderie and good fellowship of deer hunters. These guys are fun loving, enjoy their time hunting deer and are just fun to be with. The good matured joking, the banter, the ribbing each other, the stories and the overall general atmosphere of a bunch of guys getting together to drink an adult beverage and eat well.

Regardless of where you stand on the sport of deer hunting getting together like this is just plain fun. Being with guys who know how to eat good, have an adult beverage, swap stories, joke and prank each other is just plain and simple having a good time. I don't believe there is anything more enjoyable than a bunch of guys getting together like they do with deer hunting.

I have no problem with someone else shooting a deer and I have helped drag them out of the woods and skin them out. I just don't shoot them. I do have a problem with poachers who hunt illegally and those who shoot deer for their impressive racks and wall mount ability and then leave the body in the woods. Those type people give me a real problem.

But for me I have enjoyed hundreds of hunts and I have never shot a deer nor do I intend to. I find them to be magnificent animals and therefore I simply do not shoot them. Do I hunt them - yes - but I pass up the shooting part. I enjoy being in the woods with the animals and and being with a bunch of good men as described above. Over the years my hunting pardners have just considered my bad luck at hunting but in truth it was never my intent to shoot a deer. The only way I would have killed a deer is if when I was dozing up against a tree if one had tripped over my gun and killed itself.

I am good as stalking and have gotten close enough to deer to actually touch them in the woods which is no easy feat. For me the enjoyment part was seeing the deer, being in the woods and with the guys. I mean where else can a guy go and burp, fart, tell wild stories and be not only accepted but believed and a 'good ole boy'?  I would venture to say that there are a lot of experienced deer hunters just like myself that have never shot a deer either or when they do shoot their sights are 'off'' or something ruined their shot.

Monday, December 8, 2014

Beautiful Turkey

One time several years ago when I was living in N. Florida I went turkey hunting with permission on some private land. I was sitting up against a tree along a small stream when I heard a turkey gobble some distance off. I knew the biggest mistake I could make was to make a hen cluck and purr call to often so I made a call and sat and waited. After several minutes I heard the gobbler coming through the woods right to me. As I sat ready suddenly the turkey stepped out of the brush not 8' from me directly into a shaft of strong sunlight coming through the trees.

The bird actually glowed bronze and the various different colors that came from his feathers as he stood there with them ruffled up mesmerized with a beauty that I had not seen before. He hopped across the stream into another shaft of sunlight and with the woods totally silent and his pure beauty I sat there looking at this magnificent bird radiating his glorious colors and forgot why I was even there.

The entire incident only lasted 2-3 minutes but I was so transfixed with the pure beauty of that bird next think I knew he stepped behind a tree about a dozen feet away and was gone from sight. It was such a beautiful sight that I forgot I was hunting turkey and actually had a shotgun. On reflection it would have been the most severe crime against nature to have shot that bird under the circumstances.

We frequently have turkey around our house and while I have seen hundreds of wild turkey since I have never seen a bird that even came close to that bird. It was a rare moment where natures pure beauty gave me a glimpse of how gorgeous a brown turkey can be when they are illuminated in a shaft of sunlight.

While this doesn't speak highly of my hunting ability I hope it speaks favorably to my ability to appreciate something that is pure beauty.  It was like the time I was deer hunting and a doe walked out of the dense woods just a few feet from me followed by a very large buck who took that opportunity to mate with the doe. I couldn't bring myself to shoot him in that situation so waited and next thing I knew they were in the brush out of sight forever. I guess I never was much of a hunter actually. I just enjoyed being with the animals more than the thought of shooting them.

Saturday, December 6, 2014

Culvert Beauty

Each winter we have ice form at the end of an 18" steel culvert. A spring that comes out of the ground on our lot flows down the mountain to a road ditch and then follows that ditch to the culvert. We often stop on our walks to admire the huge chunk of solid ice that forms where it comes out the end of the culvert. The stream flows all year long and when the  ice forms here the little creek about half way down our lot creates an ice dam that sometimes builds up to 4-5' high thereby backing up the water until spring melt.
While we don't have much in the way of snow on the ground we do have this beauty to look at on our walks so we thought we would share it.

Sunrises Are Fading

It is nearing that time of year when the alignment of the earth is changing so our sunrises are only a few minutes and fading. They are still beautiful even though I have to rush outside to capture them.

Thursday, December 4, 2014

150 Years Later

Today, as runners complete the 16th annual, 180-mile Sand Creek Spiritual Healing run, marking the 150th anniversary and commemoration of the Sand Creek Massacre, I offer something that has been too long in coming.
On behalf of the state of Colorado, I want to apologize.
To the runners, to the Tribal Leaders and to all of the Indigenous people and the proud and painful legacy you represent…
On behalf of the good, peaceful and loving people in Colorado, I am sorry for the atrocity that our government and its agents visutteited upon your ancestors. I want to assure you that we will not run from this history, and that we will always work for peace and healing.
Yesterday Colorado State Governor John Hickenlooper finally after 150 years  uttered an apology to our Native American brothers and sisters over Sand Creek atrocity. It took a long time coming but here it is and it was clearly sincere. If more of our elected officials would do the same including the Federal Government perhaps we could for once put these times behind us, recognize history for what it is not what some want to portray it as being and move ahead as the brothers we are and not the oppressors we have been. 
Until we honestly acknowledge mistakes in the past and move to correct them like Gov. Hickenlooper has done in this case we are going to be living with lies and open wounds of the past. 

Early Morning Trip

We woke up early this morning and decided to head into town for a grocery run. We left at 5:00 AM when it was still dark and this is one of the scenes we had coming home. The weather forecast today was for freezing rain and snow so we thought by going into town early we would avoid the bad weather. The above photo is the view we had returning home. The mountains with low lying fog and the mountains in the back ground looking across the valley. Beautiful...something to share.

Wednesday, December 3, 2014

Christmas Memories/by Carol

Back in the day my sister Marg and I got 25 cents an hour for babysitting...hard to buy each other Christmas presents when that was our sole income. Therefore Mom would buy something for us to give each other.

Marg and I slept upstairs in our small house. It was unheated and there was a short hallway between our two rooms, the stairs going off that hallway.

One night around Christmas we were talking back and forth and I think I was the one that started the conversation: "You will never guess what I got you for Christmas...there are three of them." "Really?" says Marg. "Give me a hint." I said, "One is red, one is black and one is white."  Silence...then laughter. "I got you the same thing!!!"

Ah, so thankful for memories................especially those that make me smile!

Colorado Dreaming

Dreaming when I look at those garden boxes about springtime. Check out the entire article at:

Wood Carver

 Carol used to have the hobby of being a wood carver. These are four pieces of her work that we bring out each Christmas. She is of the traditional carvers where she used only knives. Now days carvers use electric tools to go faster and produce more pieces.
Carol would take a blank piece of wood and when she finished she would have made something like this one little chip at a time. She did some fine arts shows and had her work on display in Lancaster, PA.

Tuesday, December 2, 2014

Amazing Memory

 I had put one feeder out for the mountain chickadee's but the one in the photos I had not hung up yet. As I was filling it with sun flower seed I noted several of the chickadee's were perched on the railing watching me. As soon (and I mean as soon) as my hand started to leave it they were all over the hook and feeder. As usual they each took only one seed and flew off. Orderly and polite.
Their behavior indicates that they remembered this particular feeder from last winter. The other tubular feeder has been up for a few weeks now but I just decided to put this one up. These birds are amazing and their behavior is educational to witness. We also have stellar jays which are similar to the blue jays up north and back east except these are cobalt blue and bigger. The stellar jays will fly in and light under the feeder and then the chickadee's will drop several seeds for them too. I don't thing there is a selfish feather on these chickadee's. So much to learn from our feathered friends and four legged fur friends if we only take the time to stop and watch.

Sunday, November 30, 2014

Christmas Past/Carol

I can remember a tree similar to this at my Mom and Dad's house. I am not sure but I have a suspicion that a friend of theirs who was "into" ceramics may have made theirs. I always loved it and had hoped to have one someday...and someday is now!

Starting this year it will be part of our Christmas decorating tradition...............and I will always think of my Mom and Dad when we put it out.

You can find it and many really neat "old time" items at

Friday, November 28, 2014

Conservation By Sakoieta

We, who are living, have been given the privilege of being able to walk and live on the Earth. We have been taught and are to keep it in our uppermost mind that we should walk in such a way as to leave no footprints or do no damage to the Earth. We have been taught it is our responsibility to protect the earth for generations to come. We need to constantly remind ourselves of this, by asking ourselves, what will the future generations do when they come and find that the Earth will not provide for them because of what we either did or allowed to happen? We need to think of how great a sadness it will be if our grandchildren and those yet coming suffer because of what we did or failed to do. We are accountable to the future generations. That is just the way it is.

Up Early In The Mountains

 It is worth the beautiful sunrise to get up early this time of year. The morning sunrise is stunning to behold. There will always be time for a short nap later. New camera captures the sun rise without washing much of the color out with the automatic flash like the point and shoot did. The detail is much more distinct too. Enjoy....

Tuesday, November 25, 2014

Alternatives To Herbicides

Our weeds are buried under snow now but in the spring they will resurface. How to control weeds without using toxic sprays. Go to:

Monday, November 24, 2014

Christmas back in the day/Carol

With the Christmas Creep upon us I got to thinking about the Christmas' past with my Mom, Dad, brother and sister. When I look at the "wish lists" that kids make these days...what they want for Christmas...I am amazed.

One year one thing we wanted, at least my sister and I, was a typewriter. When we got up Christmas morning there was one. It was a used Smith-Corona portable typewriter. I have no idea where Mom got it but we were both elated! It was used for many many years....with no complaints!

How the times have changed.....................

Sunday, November 23, 2014

Let It Snow, Let It Snow...

 We are into the routine now; snow for a couple days and then nice weather in between storms. So far we have around 9" and more expected. That makes it 27" so far this winter total. What is on the ground now will remain there until May when it will melt. Click on the photos and see the beauty of those soft flakes floating down and the silence outside.

New Life

After weeks of trying to visit friends who have a new puppy we finally made time yesterday. It is so easy to forget how puppies and their puppy behavior are because they grow up so fast. Their baby teeth that compels them to chew on just about everything. We had some friends one time that had a puppy that loved to chew sheet rock walls.  Looking into their eyes and seeing the wonder they display in looking back at you. Thinking that just a few weeks or months ago that they were born into this world with only one sense - smell. That their eyes did not open for several days and their hearing was not developed until later. They did not come into the world understanding any language. How they have so much energy and want to be doing something all the time. Not to mention the smell of puppy breath.. that is something that is unique and wonderfully distinct. They are a brand new family member and there is a whole world to explore and they have the energy to do just that.

How they believe the world evolves around them until they grow up and learn the requirements of family living. How everything is new to them and they are striving to adapt to their surroundings. While I personally prefer to adopt a rescue dog there are numerous benefits that go with getting a puppy too. You get to shape their life from the start. You get to experience their interest in things that you take for granted like a bug or dust bunny under the bed. You learn new appreciation and  wonder in things that you previously took for granted. (like boot laces) You get to work with them early and literally shape their life because there are no boundaries for them except what you teach them. How they are so dependent on you for affection, food/water, health care, and safety. Raising a puppy is hard work and teaching them what to avoid for their own safety is challenging to say the least. They have no fear of things that could harm or injure them and hence your role is the ever vigilant parent.

Then they are suddenly grown up and their puppy life is just a distant memory and they have bonded so close to you that you don't remember how life was before them and they had become that trusted and loyal family member. They grow out of that puppy stage so quickly into adulthood and then they start to slow down just a little at first and get a little grey around the muzzle and you then seize every minute you can spend with them realizing that their lives are so much shorter than a human's life. Yes it all starts with the puppy and you have helped them to be what they are through endless love, compassion and training. Bringing up a puppy is the same as bringing up a child in many ways and it takes special people to accept the challenge and prevail. Before you know it the cuteness of a puppy is replaced by love you never knew you possessed and the closeness you feel is extraordinary. For me I prefer to adopt a dog that others did not want, but my admiration goes out to those who take on the many challenges of raising a puppy. It is not an easy task but the end reward is well worth the grief, chewed up shoes, table legs and about anything else they can wrap their mouth around. If I were to put a percent on the upside vs downside I would say the upside is about 99.9% and the downside is about .01%, except when you are actually raising and training the puppy and then maybe those figures are reversed. It is love and patience that finally gets you to the 99.9%.

Puppies are a new and wonderful experience and even as puppies they make you a better person.

Friday, November 21, 2014

Mountain Chickadee

Our favorite bird in the mountains. The mountain chickadee is polite, intelligent and entertaining. Polite because they take turns coming to the sunflower feeder and take a seed and leave. Other birds will perch on the feeder and sometimes swarm all over it. The chickadee help themselves to one seed and leave. I have never seen them chase each other or any other bird away. Intelligent, they seem to be highly intelligent. I put the feeder out yesterday and the regulars from last year were waiting for those delicious sun flower seeds. Their memory of where the feeder was and what it represents is remarkable. Sometimes when the feeder is out they will come and get me. Actually!!! If I am outside they will come and perch on a tree next to me and stare me down. Anyone who has a dog knows 'the stare'. I will tell them to go up to the feeder and I'll feed them. They will then go perch on the railing and wait for me to fill the feeder. Entertaining, they keep us entertained with their flitting around and song. They will sometimes light on the front window and look in at me when their feeder is out of seed. They will sometimes light on your hand to take seeds. This is a tiny bird that if just plain fun to have around.
Carol is presently heading back from town with a 50# bag of sunflower seeds. They will go through about 100 - 150 pounds of sun flower seeds per winter. Their presence is well worth the cost of that much sunflower seed.

Wednesday, November 12, 2014

It Is Now Official

 The calendar may say it is still fall but outside says it is now winter in the mountains. 11:00 AM on 11/12/14, and it is still 2 degrees below zero. The frost on the trees isn't a substitute for snow but it is pretty. Quick trip into town and back to stay warm.

Tuesday, November 11, 2014

Nuclear War Was Very Close - Much Too Close

I don't talk about it but in October 1963, we came closer than most people will ever know to a full out nuclear war with Russia. I was working in the SAC headquarters on the third floor of the underground at the command post entrance on 10/28/62. It was the most sensitive area of the headquarters and the only way to enter the command post was if the SAC Guard personally knew you and your purpose inside and allowed you to enter. I rarely ever got through the electronic door myself but this day the duty commander came out and ask me to join them in the command post and lock the door behind me as I came in.
I had taken various VIP tours through the command center previously so I was familiar with the inside. As I went in the mood was very solemn and very quiet which was unusual. I was posted immediately behind the console that ran the entire SAC operation world wide and was told that the DEFCON clocks were running down and my job was to make sure no one interfered with the two duty officers at the console. The red DEFCON clock was almost down to zero and I understood when it ran out we would be engaged in all out nuclear war.
I remember the day like it was today. Due to all the electronics it was always kept cool but the two duty officers were positioned at each end of the console and perspiring heavily. I was sweating badly myself as was the crew in the command post. Between the two officers on the console was a red phone that went directly to President Kennedy. All eyes were focused on that phone. As the clock neared zero hour both duty officers took a key they each possessed and held it ready to be inserted in the proper slot on the console. When the clock hit zero they would both turn their keys simultaneously. It seemed like an eternity that we stood there with nothing but the hum of the equipment and sweat running down our backs as they were both poised to turn their keys in unison. Just moments before time ran out the phone rang and it was President Kennedy telling us to stand down the Cuban missile crisis was over. We were that close to a full nuclear war with Russia,
To my right was a machine that would show when missiles were launched against us, their destination and the probable deaths associated. A grim reminder of what we would find when we were finally able to go topside. We all had families above and while we were safe from a direct nuclear strike we knew when we were able to go topside everything we loved would be gone and the world would never been the same. We had come to within a few more drops of perspiration from launching a full out nuclear war. It was that close.
When my shift was over and I went topside everyone was going about their day like nothing had ever happened when we were just the turn of two keys away from launching missiles, bombers all armed with nuclear weapons. It was totally surreal up topside and everything was business as usual and even when I got home my family didn't have a clue how close we had come to all out war. It was like walking from the heart of a major crisis into happy town America where there were no problems.  I have read several accounts on the Cuban Missile crisis but none that have read have told just how close we were to total out nuclear war when Khrushchev and Kennedy called the matter off. 52 years later and I often wonder how in a few more seconds life could have been changed forever. I know I was there watching it unfold and it was very scary for a young man because my orders were clear and I fully intended to carry them out if necessary.

Monday, November 10, 2014

Technology By Sakoieta

More and more I see people getting into these technological devices and letting these devices control them. Computers, cell phones, i pads, etc. These devices were supposed to be used to help us to be more independent and productive as human beings. What I see instead is people becoming slaves to them and becoming less and less involved in the living of life as a good human being. We have people who won’t even talk to each other unless it is through a text. People slandering each other and writing nasty messages to others that they would never think of saying in person, etc. I see a definite use for them if they enhance our ability to be better mothers, fathers, husbands, partners, human beings. But what I see happening more and more is that people cannot even reason anymore without a computer or hand held device doing it for them. Instead of making us smarter these devices are making us slaves who are unable to think for ourselves, add, subtract, or search unless the answer is right there in seconds. They are becoming the new pill to supposedly fix us. Instead, like our prophecies state, they are controlling our minds and taking our minds away.

Sunday, November 9, 2014

Sunrise In The Mountains

 Seeing this first thing in the morning is something worth getting up for. Our sun rises are spectacular in the mornings. The photo on top is the view from our front window and the one below is from our deck looking at the Spanish Peaks. You can just see the outline of Spanish Peaks in the center of the photo. We love our beautiful sunrises and never get tired of them. They are breathtaking and these photos are with a cheap point and shoot camera so I hope the viewer can appreciate how much more beautiful they are in real time...

Thursday, November 6, 2014

Bobcat Tracks

 Here are more cat tracks but this time bobcat tracks. This one passed within 40 yards of the house. These animals are around all year but until there is snow on the ground you are unaware of their presence. These were fresh, probably last night.

Tuesday, November 4, 2014

New Pantry Door

new door
Project number two of the projects the lumber was milled out for last summer. The cost of this project was perfect. It was zero cost. I had all the supplies on hand and used the hardware from the old door. The old door was more heavy and did not go full length. This door is lighter and does go full length. I put in a new door frame and made the trim from lumber we milled out. As it gets older it will age and darken lke the wood paneling on both sides of it. Project number two done, now just two more to go.

Monday, November 3, 2014

Tracks In The Snow

It isn't easy to show how big this track is but it is about 6 inches across. One of the benefits of a fresh snow last night is what you can find in the way of tracks. This big cat crossed about 110 yards from the house where there were also deer tracks. When I first saw them I estimated that they had been made within the last two or three hours because the deer tracks already had snow in them and I saw the deer earlier this morning. Based on the depth and size of the tracks the mountain lion probably ran 150-160 lbs. Earlier today the dogs had their noses in the air so this is what they were alerted to. No wonder they wanted to come back inside so fast.

Wednesday, October 22, 2014

New Closet

From dead standing tree, to log, to lumber, to waiting patiently while the lumber dries, to making a closet for clothes. Check out the entire blog at:


 Doesn't seem like almost 10 years ago that Junior was using our home as a home base. He would come around and sleep just outside the back yard fence when he wore himself out chasing the does constantly. He would come to the fence and stand there until he got our attention and when he did he would lay down and go right to sleep. Sometimes he would sleep for hours and we could come and go and he would lay right there and sleep. He would do this for several months until the snow would get too deep and then he would head down the mountain for better feed grounds.

He was a best friend and would walk up to me and follow me around through out the day. Here in this photo he looks dead but he was just sound asleep knowing we would look out for him. He is gone now but we sure had a special relationship when he was alive. We sure miss him and his constant presence at our home. He adopted us and spent most of his life right here at our home. He would wander off at times but always came back. Sure miss our Junior.

Sunday, October 19, 2014

Morning Lesson

I was out back instructing a herd of elk on how to avoid hunters so they could stay safe. This big bull stepped out to catch the end of the lesson. Our property is a refuge for elk and deer during hunting season because it is more open and they can see danger long distances. While they stood there with rapt attention listening to what to avoid this time of year I was able to get a photo of this big boy. Today was lesson number two in a series of three.

Tuesday, October 14, 2014

The Start Of Winter

 While I was out yesterday shoveling a pathway through the 3" of fresh snow without thinking I was tossing it as far out as possible. That is just something that I do automatically so at the end of winter we don't have the snow banks closing in on us. As I was shoveling off our walkway I was thinking how it seemed like I had just done this recently. We had received 1" of snow last Friday and then on Monday another 3" but that wasn't what made it seem so recent.
I came into the house and paged back in my day planner where I keep track of the annual snowfall and found that on May 13, 2014, we had received 12" of snow. I counted back and that was a total of five months of Spring, Summer and Fall seasons crammed into 5 months time frame. That means our winters are 7 months long. We get into the habit of dealing with winter here in the mountains but often forget how long it actually is. That leaves only a little time to get our 9-11 cords of firewood in for the next long winter. It also leave a little time to enjoy outdoor activity without coats and boots. It may sound like a long winter - which it is - but I wouldn't trade it for any other place. The summers are glorious and spring and fall while short are equally great. So for the followers of this blog - plan on lots of snow photos over the next 7 months.  

Friday, October 10, 2014

October 10,2014, First Snow

 First snow - darn that was one short fall season!

Thursday, October 9, 2014

Fall Leaves

Back yard with leaves. The rain strips the leaves from trees and the smell is wonderful fall smell. Colors are vibrant and it is now full fall time.

Wednesday, October 8, 2014

More Trail Camera Photos

 The elk have been allusive this year. Probably because the poachers are using elk calls around us. When the area of the calling doesn't move for two to three hours and is in the same place night after night that is a pretty good indication that the elk are leaving the area due to heavy hunting of them. Elk will graze and move along and poachers will sit in the same place and call and call to try lure elk to them. First year we have had few elk around this time of year..and we believe the reason is poachers since there is no hunting in our community.